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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:15 am

ROTFLMAO.... Ok ok I am an old school mud user from way back when, sorry for the archaic net speak, but John.... You are soooooo bang on I can't stop laughing. Wouldn't it just have been easier to password protect trades and perhaps limit trades to I don't know 5 or 10 per day without the bazaar? That way we have some freedom to find cards we need, especially after the lengthy ban has us all sitting on cards or drooling for others. Disappointing.
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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:41 am

LOL. Yeah. That's why we all need to send an email, in good and critical taste, about our feelings on these changes. This would change the way we trade entirely. Talk about taking the fun out of trading. The PIN code would have been better. Keep the Bizarre if they want, but still allow us to trade - a limitation of 10 per day would be fine with me as long as I don't have to have some stupid ticket to trade. This solution punishes the loyal, proper, player.

They should change the way they handle CP's if they are going to do this. Like only give us cards of our Realm, NO HN or Rares in CPs, etc. With all the junk they give in CP's and the limit on tickets we have, there's no way we can get rid of the crap they give us in the current CPs.

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PostSubject: New trade restrictions...   Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:27 am

"You can only Trade or Gift to Fellows that you had added or Order members that joined your Order at least 2 weeks previously"


IMHO this means: You can only trade or gift to fellows that you had added at least 2 weeks previously

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You can only gift to fellows that joined your Order at least 2 weeks previously
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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:56 am

I would imagine that the harsh restrictions at the moment are just until the bazaar and the new system are working properly. I am sure over the next few weeks lots of things will be added as the level of user rage and amount of people quitting gets back to mobage/cygames.

Lets be fair and give this new system a chance, don't condemn it until it has been set up properly and is working. No one likes the hacking issues and this will definately fix that. Don't get me wrong I am also raging as I have alot of trades set up that are now completely useless. At least I have a few cards I am getting off order members, but, it is gonna take me weeks to clear my inventory at only 5 tickets a day Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:35 am

^this. Mobage should get this up soon before more players quit or something.
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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:05 am

Johncfl71 wrote:
Watch them come up with "Buy 10-Special Bizarre Ticket and get special permission to use these without Limitations. Unlimited Trading applies to Special Bizarre Tickets only. only 3000 Rage Medals!!!"

I think you have about hit it SPOT ON here.
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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:16 pm

I feel like everyone is in agreement that this is NOT the way to fix the problem. Does Mobage and Cygames know that? I guess since they don't play the game, they don't know what makes it so much fun.

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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts    Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:40 am

There's a petition going on out there. Found this link from the other postings...

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/rage-petition-against-new-tradinggifting/signatures

Maybe we should try to spread the word to the dissatisfied people to sign it. Very Happy

Spread it! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:58 am

frojo04 wrote:
"You can only Trade or Gift to Fellows that you had added or Order members that joined your Order at least 2 weeks previously"


IMHO this means: You can only trade or gift to fellows that you had added at least 2 weeks previously

AND

You can only gift to fellows that joined your Order at least 2 weeks previously

Let's examine this closely.

First part states " You can only Trade or Gift to Fellows that you had added...." which I interpret as you can trade immediately.
They go on to say, "...or Order members that joined your Order at least 2 weeks previously" which I interpret as they have to wait cause they don't have to be your Fellow to be in the Order. If they didn't add this language in, then there would be no need to remove Fellows since you can just hop from Order to Order. This puts control into the player's hands by limiting someone from joining their Order and/or preventing non-Fellow trades which hackers tend to do (give the cards to an unknown account or an account that is not listed anywhere).

Well, that's my interpretation after reading the wording closely. So, Fellows that you add (why include that in the language? because it prevents trading with random accounts) so you can trade immediately but be penalized if you only did it for trade and then remove the Fellow. Joining an Order and waiting 2 weeks, to prevent people hoping from Order to Order to trade. A Hacker won't just fellow someone, and then accept, and then set-up trade, OR wait 2 weeks to Trade after joining an Order, it wouldn't be worthwhile to them. Or that's what Cygames is thinking. It's also a better way to track trades - like having a paper trail.

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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:17 am

I agree with John, and hopefully that is truely how it is. I still don't like the limited bazaar trading but thats a bit of a seperate issue. I think there shouldn't be a limit or tickets that you have to use to trade for one, and from what it looks like to me you wont be able to do multi card trades in the bazaar. If people cant offer more than one card at a time for another card or item how is that going to benefit anything? Some people would rather do strait card trades to eliminate the hassle of trying to sell cards and then turning around and trying to find a card for thats being sold for what you can offer. I hope that the tickets and limits are just a temporary measure for them to judge the effectiveness of the bazaar. If thats the case and they end up eliminating them and enabling it so you can trade as offten as you want and with multiple cards at a time I think it might work out. If it stays as it is made out to be right now, I think there will be a lot of unhappy users.
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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:20 am

the funny think at this whole thing is...when they said there will be limitations soon...it took 5-7 hours all trades where limited....now trhey say the new trading system will be online soon...13 hous later nothing happend....

how long will it take to get theses system online...
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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:48 am

denyio wrote:
the funny think at this whole thing is...when they said there will be limitations soon...it took 5-7 hours all trades where limited....now trhey say the new trading system will be online soon...13 hous later nothing happend....

how long will it take to get theses system online...

From what they just did by extending the CP by "Popular Demand" (they really meant, "Darn! We didn't make as much money with them seeing how most everybody got a refund. We need to extend this so that 'unsavvy buyers' will boost our sales up a bit"). So, I'd say not until around the 15-20th.

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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:49 pm

Just received a reply from the Rage of Bahamut Management Office:


Hi,

Thank you for contacting us and we apologize for the late reply.

As it is mentioned in our announcement, Trades, Gifts, Selling cards (by tapping 'Sell' on a card's information screen) and finally, the new Bazaar, are 4 separate features in the game.
The Bazaar system does not replace Trades.

More information will be available in the Guidance under [About Bazaar] after the Bazaar Feature is released.

Please also note that no further information will be disclosed, and updates will not be sent to individual emails.

Best regards,
"Rage of Bahamut" Management Office

>I think this is a very Communistic approach to trading. Here me out,
>please. I can understanding the Gifting restrictions and welcome it. The
>Bazaar Feature; however, is a blatant slap in the face - especially for the
>loyal, [censored], customer base. According to their New Trading System
>(trading?), we are going to be 'restricted' to 5 Bazaar Tickets which we
>can use to list our items for 'sale' in the Bazaar. Even if we cancel or
>refuse, the tickets are considered used and we would have to wait another
>day in order to trade. Ridiculous! Also, from what I can gather, Cygames
>and Mobage are going to 'impose' a value for items listed in the Bazaar?
>Definitely not a Free Market Trading game. Barely a trading game as it is.
>
>If you wanted to stop hacking and multiple fake accounts, then require a
>PIN system and implement a Verification email along with the device
>registration. Limit one email, per device, per account. Limit trading to
>player's above level 20 AND if necessary, only within 5 to 10 levels of a
>players current level (like a level 30 player can only trade with someone
>that is between level 25 to 35). Require an email verification and a PIIN
>for all trades to both parties. So, the one placing the trade has to check
>their email and click on a verification link or enter a PIN code that is
>generated by the trade. Then the person receiving the trade presses
>'Accepts' and another email verification code is sent with a PIN he must
>enter in order to complete the transaction. More steps, but I'd rather have
>that than a limit to 5 Bazaar Tickets and being forced to make 1 trade at
>an established price rather a valued price. Trading anything higher, I'd be
>forced to wait for 1 trade - seeing how I'm moving from into full HR deck
>and eventually, if I continue to play this game, into the next level.
>
>So, in summary: Say 'NO' to the Bazaar Feature becoming mandatory. Say
>"Yes" to the Gifting limitations. Require Email verification and PIN "YES".
>Bazaar - "NO".
>

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PostSubject: Re: Limitations on ALL Accounts   Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:34 pm

Johncfl71 wrote:
Watch them come up with "Buy 10-Special Bizarre Ticket and get special permission to use these without Limitations. Unlimited Trading applies to Special Bizarre Tickets only. only 3000 Rage Medals!!!"


SEE! I told you all this was coming. Now, they are selling "Extra Bazaar Tickets" in their CP.

This company is just a bunch of GREEDY idiots that will back-fire and they'll end up loosing a lot more than they hoped to gain.

P.S. - I'll still play but not like before and I won't spend a dime on this (nor LoC seeing how they're owned by Cyberagent).

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